1 00:00:00,700 --> 00:00:22,690 [Music] 2 00:00:22,700 --> 00:00:53,430 you 3 00:00:53,440 --> 00:01:06,090 [Music] 4 00:01:17,039 --> 00:01:08,640 I wouldn't advise going too much too 5 00:01:19,230 --> 00:01:17,049 much because this really does become the 6 00:01:22,410 --> 00:01:19,240 area in which the the other children had 7 00:01:25,620 --> 00:01:22,420 seen the UFO was around about this area 8 00:01:27,960 --> 00:01:25,630 and reports have been coming in 9 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:27,970 throughout the day that they've been 10 00:01:36,780 --> 00:01:34,090 seeing this object which flag said I 11 00:01:39,570 --> 00:01:36,790 didn't believe one bit so at the end of 12 00:01:46,980 --> 00:01:39,580 the day I came up from my classroom 13 00:01:49,039 --> 00:01:46,990 which was which is a bit higher now than 14 00:01:54,210 --> 00:01:49,049 it was it only used to stand around 15 00:01:59,700 --> 00:01:54,220 about I started looking there was 16 00:02:01,590 --> 00:01:59,710 nothing in sight whatsoever so I started 17 00:02:06,270 --> 00:02:01,600 get over the fence just at the top here 18 00:02:09,059 --> 00:02:06,280 and I was about halfway over one leg 19 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:09,069 either side of the pen you'll see it's 20 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:10,330 bit difficult see because these small 21 00:02:15,809 --> 00:02:13,330 trees around the perimeter starting 22 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:15,819 mature a bit now but you'll see a large 23 00:02:21,030 --> 00:02:18,010 clump of trees at the back they're just 24 00:02:21,910 --> 00:02:21,040 just before you reached the top of the 25 00:02:25,430 --> 00:02:21,920 hill 26 00:02:29,930 --> 00:02:25,440 from behind those trees that's with the 27 00:02:34,430 --> 00:02:29,940 object surface now still sort of halfway 28 00:02:36,920 --> 00:02:34,440 across I was just in total amazement and 29 00:02:39,890 --> 00:02:36,930 but like I said before that's when I 30 00:02:41,900 --> 00:02:39,900 felt the urge to run and ran all the way 31 00:02:44,270 --> 00:02:41,910 down here to the taxi that was waiting 32 00:02:47,660 --> 00:02:44,280 to take us out was actually moving 33 00:02:49,270 --> 00:02:47,670 upwards or steady or was it off the 34 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:49,280 ground on the ground 35 00:02:57,710 --> 00:02:52,890 it came up seemingly from behind the 36 00:03:36,060 --> 00:02:57,720 trees now there was a slight swaying 37 00:03:59,630 --> 00:03:43,810 [Music] 38 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:03,390 so so it's a pretty good frame of 39 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:06,450 reference I you know I also know how 40 00:04:11,970 --> 00:04:08,770 pretty much how big the trees were over 41 00:04:16,949 --> 00:04:11,980 there and you know it came just above 42 00:04:19,590 --> 00:04:16,959 the tree line with the rear I say the 43 00:04:23,250 --> 00:04:19,600 rear end but there was no front and rear 44 00:04:27,630 --> 00:04:23,260 to it as as such but from my point of 45 00:04:29,940 --> 00:04:27,640 view the right hand side event the end 46 00:04:33,540 --> 00:04:29,950 of the craft was still obscured by trees 47 00:04:36,900 --> 00:04:33,550 support burns you know I would say that 48 00:05:21,680 --> 00:04:36,910 I was looking at about 98% of the of the 49 00:05:21,690 --> 00:05:54,560 [Music] 50 00:09:01,020 --> 00:06:39,800 but whatever portion these things 51 00:09:26,660 --> 00:09:11,710 [Music] 52 00:09:31,980 --> 00:09:29,370 whether they were teachers supervising 53 00:09:39,019 --> 00:09:31,990 us now bear in mind this is 1977 this 54 00:09:44,519 --> 00:09:39,029 isn't it now with all you know we 55 00:09:46,410 --> 00:09:44,529 wouldn't wouldn't mind if we didn't 56 00:09:58,670 --> 00:09:46,420 worry they just knew we were somewhere 57 00:10:04,140 --> 00:10:01,740 it was being mentioned to the headmaster 58 00:10:08,070 --> 00:10:04,150 after Alan and I assumed other teachers 59 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:08,080 as well now but you're dealing with 60 00:10:16,070 --> 00:10:11,730 people who very no-nonsense 61 00:10:18,690 --> 00:10:16,080 matter-of-factness and obviously 62 00:10:21,510 --> 00:10:18,700 initially they were thinking this was 63 00:10:24,750 --> 00:10:21,520 childish pranks childish imagination at 64 00:10:26,940 --> 00:10:24,760 work it wasn't until the following 65 00:10:29,790 --> 00:10:26,950 Monday when we all got together in in 66 00:10:31,680 --> 00:10:29,800 exam conditions and drew and described 67 00:10:46,980 --> 00:10:31,690 what we saw with without having any 68 00:10:46,990 --> 00:10:52,850 [Music] 69 00:11:19,100 --> 00:11:16,790 I hate to brag but the educational 70 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:19,110 standards of children leave in primary 71 00:11:24,300 --> 00:11:20,730 schools was so much better than if it's 72 00:11:30,670 --> 00:11:24,310 today with regards to common sense and 73 00:11:37,990 --> 00:11:34,610 things of internet and computer games 74 00:11:42,230 --> 00:11:38,000 and stuff like that so 75 00:11:43,340 --> 00:11:42,240 and we weren't subjected I I read 76 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:43,350 something the other day which I got 77 00:11:49,190 --> 00:11:45,330 quite angry about that that somebody was 78 00:11:52,150 --> 00:11:49,200 categorically sure that what we saw was 79 00:12:07,480 --> 00:11:52,160 as a result 80 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:13,650 the classic contest and Star Wars which 81 00:12:28,570 --> 00:12:17,970 isn't about UFOs it's a Western in space 82 00:12:35,460 --> 00:12:31,079 [Music] 83 00:12:38,650 --> 00:12:35,470 and cowboys and Indians rather than 84 00:12:41,319 --> 00:12:38,660 outlandish sci-fi and as I said earlier 85 00:12:44,739 --> 00:12:41,329 I had a love of sci-fi but my love of 86 00:12:47,319 --> 00:12:44,749 sci-fi was the same sort of stuff that I 87 00:12:50,319 --> 00:12:47,329 like now where it looks forward at a 88 00:12:51,819 --> 00:12:50,329 possible future for ourselves not not 89 00:12:53,499 --> 00:12:51,829 the sort of sci-fi that involved 90 00:12:55,239 --> 00:12:53,509 invaders from Mars coming down in flying 91 00:13:01,059 --> 00:12:55,249 sauces and wiping us out to naught 92 00:13:02,829 --> 00:13:01,069 so my imagination was limited as it was 93 00:13:05,439 --> 00:13:02,839 I've never been really that imaginative 94 00:13:08,410 --> 00:13:05,449 it wouldn't have extended to that sort 95 00:13:22,650 --> 00:13:08,420 of scenario it was a woman in the 96 00:13:26,350 --> 00:13:25,000 woman in the pub said or done listen to 97 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:26,360 her she wouldn't believe the Grim Reaper 98 00:13:38,860 --> 00:13:31,250 study yeah another one another one which 99 00:13:42,460 --> 00:13:38,870 was being bandied around was that some 100 00:13:58,840 --> 00:13:42,470 locals had been seen carrying a rocket 101 00:14:03,760 --> 00:13:58,850 shaped object there's no there's no way 102 00:14:06,700 --> 00:14:03,770 you can make that trivial but what she 103 00:14:08,350 --> 00:14:06,710 was actually referring to was a couple 104 00:14:10,030 --> 00:14:08,360 of days after the site in a local 105 00:14:24,430 --> 00:14:10,040 haulage contractor decided to have a 106 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:24,440 laughing the kids expect red now it was 107 00:14:31,090 --> 00:14:26,650 said that this was supposed to have been 108 00:14:32,860 --> 00:14:31,100 the impetus for the story however what 109 00:14:34,750 --> 00:14:32,870 it was with the local haulage contractor 110 00:14:37,210 --> 00:14:34,760 having a giggle had taken a very 111 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:37,220 expensive long-range fuel tank off a jet 112 00:14:41,890 --> 00:14:39,650 aircraft that he had he was selling 113 00:14:43,810 --> 00:14:41,900 government surplus and decided to plant 114 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:43,820 it here was a joke because we'd seen the 115 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:48,050 object he was intending on having it 116 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:49,610 back a couple of weeks a couple of weeks 117 00:14:53,310 --> 00:14:51,410 later after the joke had gone around the 118 00:14:55,750 --> 00:14:53,320 world 119 00:14:59,940 --> 00:14:55,760 however by which time we thanked him 120 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:04,450 it stood over in the corner it stood 121 00:15:08,710 --> 00:15:05,810 over there in the corner for many years 122 00:15:10,930 --> 00:15:08,720 it was the pride of the school however 123 00:15:15,580 --> 00:15:10,940 to give a good indication of how good 124 00:15:17,140 --> 00:15:15,590 our identifying was the bomb squad were 125 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:17,150 being called local police were being 126 00:15:21,970 --> 00:15:19,010 called because as far as the school were 127 00:15:23,870 --> 00:15:21,980 concerned they had a missile in the 128 00:15:27,780 --> 00:15:23,880 school playground 129 00:15:29,220 --> 00:15:27,790 however even before the police in the 130 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:29,230 bomb squad and everybody else in the 131 00:15:33,060 --> 00:15:31,570 military had arrived the children had 132 00:15:35,310 --> 00:15:33,070 already turned up at the school and 133 00:15:41,430 --> 00:15:35,320 identified it as a long-range fuel tank 134 00:15:43,260 --> 00:15:41,440 from a jet bomber we were so used to 135 00:15:44,670 --> 00:15:43,270 NATO aircraft flying overhead you know 136 00:15:45,870 --> 00:15:44,680 given given enough time we could 137 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:45,880 probably told you what playing it was 138 00:15:56,970 --> 00:15:48,370 off what you saw was no more than a 139 00:16:02,430 --> 00:15:56,980 helicopter I mean we see Kings based of 140 00:16:05,700 --> 00:16:02,440 your earth labeled us they make a lot of 141 00:16:08,550 --> 00:16:05,710 noise they're bright yellow usually and 142 00:16:10,410 --> 00:16:08,560 you know or the green military ones but 143 00:16:12,540 --> 00:16:10,420 with that we saw we sometimes saw we're 144 00:16:14,340 --> 00:16:12,550 sixes but it certainly wasn't a 145 00:16:16,290 --> 00:16:14,350 helicopter certainly wasn't a Harrier 146 00:16:18,780 --> 00:16:16,300 we'd love to see the Harrier taking off 147 00:16:20,970 --> 00:16:18,790 up there you know and if we had seen a 148 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:20,980 hairy Harrier taking off then that would 149 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:35,770 have been big news for us because there 150 00:16:39,390 --> 00:16:37,450 was myself Jones Pugh who wrote the 151 00:16:42,269 --> 00:16:39,400 double enigma and a reporter from the 152 00:16:44,010 --> 00:16:42,279 Western Telegraph board Hugh Turnbull we 153 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:44,020 went up there the following day because 154 00:16:47,370 --> 00:16:45,370 we actually came down here that on the 155 00:16:49,050 --> 00:16:47,380 night of the sighting but by then the 156 00:16:51,990 --> 00:16:49,060 weather conditions are deteriorated even 157 00:16:53,460 --> 00:16:52,000 further in a got dark it was impossible 158 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:53,470 to see anything so we came back the 159 00:16:59,820 --> 00:16:57,370 following day and basically what's up 160 00:17:08,790 --> 00:16:59,830 there was bog that's that's it there is 161 00:17:09,870 --> 00:17:08,800 a sewage it works just over absolutely 162 00:17:11,699 --> 00:17:09,880 nothing at all like I said the only 163 00:17:13,949 --> 00:17:11,709 indication that they met the only 164 00:17:16,740 --> 00:17:13,959 physical indication that there may have 165 00:17:19,650 --> 00:17:16,750 been something there was cross bar on 166 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:19,660 that on that telegraph pole but like I 167 00:17:30,750 --> 00:17:26,880 but the children did see people outside 168 00:17:32,669 --> 00:17:30,760 the craft walking on I get ideas and 169 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:32,679 pointy you know I can only speak for 170 00:17:38,090 --> 00:17:35,010 myself and I didn't see any 171 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:38,100 but I can't I can't comment on any of 172 00:17:42,770 --> 00:17:40,490 the children but also different crafts 173 00:17:47,540 --> 00:17:42,780 temperatures there's a possibility that 174 00:17:51,260 --> 00:17:47,550 you know no right if you look at the 175 00:17:53,120 --> 00:17:51,270 pictures there are differences there's 176 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:53,130 no doubt however first of all you've got 177 00:17:58,070 --> 00:17:55,410 to take into account we were terrible 178 00:18:00,290 --> 00:17:58,080 artists you know if you look at my 179 00:18:01,700 --> 00:18:00,300 picture you can't even tell that they're 180 00:18:06,820 --> 00:18:01,710 trees nevermind different - never mind a 181 00:18:10,670 --> 00:18:06,830 fly-in saucer so so if you take a 182 00:18:12,380 --> 00:18:10,680 juvenile undeveloped artistic talent I 183 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:12,390 mean we were doing it in wax crayons you 184 00:18:19,490 --> 00:18:14,970 know none of us were Rembrandt's or 185 00:18:22,730 --> 00:18:19,500 whatever and you also got to take into 186 00:18:25,220 --> 00:18:22,740 account as well like I said the children 187 00:18:27,950 --> 00:18:25,230 are notoriously unreliable witnesses 188 00:18:29,390 --> 00:18:27,960 what is remarkable isn't so much the 189 00:18:31,910 --> 00:18:29,400 differences but the fact that the 190 00:18:37,150 --> 00:18:31,920 pictures are so alike in so many 191 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:37,160 features if you if you peel away the 192 00:18:44,030 --> 00:18:41,330 privilege of a juvenile imagination and 193 00:18:46,310 --> 00:18:44,040 then make the comparisons between the 194 00:18:52,250 --> 00:18:46,320 pictures I mean even even if you look at 195 00:18:54,710 --> 00:18:52,260 the Zimbabwean pictures there are 196 00:19:00,980 --> 00:18:54,720 differences in the pictures they're not 197 00:19:03,770 --> 00:19:00,990 carbon copies of each other but if you 198 00:19:07,310 --> 00:19:03,780 look at my picture you'll see a long 199 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:07,320 straight fuselage with rounded ends and 200 00:19:16,220 --> 00:19:09,450 a tiny little dome on top with a red 201 00:19:19,950 --> 00:19:16,230 light on top though you mentioning I'm 202 00:19:26,009 --> 00:19:22,379 yes the dew on the heap er which is an 203 00:19:27,869 --> 00:19:26,019 Evening Post which was in August 1970 204 00:19:32,369 --> 00:19:27,879 it's almost identical to the one you 205 00:19:37,489 --> 00:19:32,379 drink yeah I will say that 206 00:19:39,869 --> 00:19:37,499 now the do not look on my picture and 207 00:19:44,340 --> 00:19:39,879 think that is a totally accurate 208 00:19:46,350 --> 00:19:44,350 description of what I saw I saw there's 209 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:46,360 another picture there obviously by 210 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:51,369 somebody who had a little bit off the 211 00:20:03,570 --> 00:19:55,330 end you have more classic sort of 212 00:20:28,529 --> 00:20:03,580 profile with I would rather put my name 213 00:20:30,810 --> 00:20:28,539 to that picture now I mean this day I 214 00:20:33,090 --> 00:20:30,820 don't know whether what I saw was the 215 00:20:34,919 --> 00:20:33,100 side view of a saucer-shaped object or 216 00:20:39,810 --> 00:20:34,929 whether I was actually seeing a cigar 217 00:20:41,700 --> 00:20:39,820 shaped rapido shaped object so and given 218 00:20:44,180 --> 00:20:41,710 given that the visibility wasn't 219 00:20:46,649 --> 00:20:44,190 brilliant at the time it was obviously 220 00:20:50,789 --> 00:20:46,659 quite sufficient enough to see what we 221 00:20:56,489 --> 00:20:50,799 were seeing but when you consider that 222 00:21:01,980 --> 00:20:56,499 you've got a silvery grey object against 223 00:21:05,180 --> 00:21:01,990 a grey background sky a little bit worse 224 00:21:12,269 --> 00:21:05,190 than it was than it is at the moment 225 00:21:16,289 --> 00:21:12,279 then you're not going to get a perfect a 226 00:21:18,539 --> 00:21:16,299 perfect image but there's there's no 227 00:21:22,580 --> 00:21:18,549 doubt in my mind whatsoever that we saw 228 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:27,730 and I just really I just really firmly 229 00:21:39,070 --> 00:21:31,650 think the the only differences are but 230 00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:43,340 you could just do a curve like that next 231 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:44,880 post you could do the same curve but 232 00:21:49,220 --> 00:21:47,610 it'd be more rounded I mean if you ask a 233 00:21:51,350 --> 00:21:49,230 child of that age draw a house or a 234 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:51,360 little ship or or whatever I'm a more 235 00:21:56,150 --> 00:21:53,010 conventional object you're not going to 236 00:21:58,960 --> 00:21:56,160 get an exact representation your thing 237 00:22:01,580 --> 00:21:58,970 was after school after you've heard the 238 00:22:03,710 --> 00:22:01,590 story just after the bell had gone I'd 239 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:03,720 actually come up here because you 240 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:04,890 cheered about them through in the day 241 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:07,290 yeah and in my mind this was impossible 242 00:22:15,610 --> 00:22:08,970 there was no way on earth that there was 243 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:18,650 know it was pulsating now at the time I 244 00:22:40,780 --> 00:22:37,390 a pulsation rather than a flash and each 245 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:40,790 one's I would say possibly worn maybe 246 00:22:48,970 --> 00:22:42,650 two flashes per second at the most but 247 00:22:52,120 --> 00:22:48,980 it is very very slow when it does to 248 00:22:54,370 --> 00:22:52,130 taking off I don't know because I mean I 249 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:54,380 saw it appear from behind trees and then 250 00:23:00,910 --> 00:22:57,890 come back down now I never saw it moving 251 00:23:39,730 --> 00:23:00,920 away from yoga after that and that that 252 00:23:41,740 --> 00:23:39,740 was after that I'd already run the 253 00:23:57,700 --> 00:23:41,750 children been seeing the object that's 254 00:24:05,080 --> 00:23:57,710 that's what yeah it actually raised 255 00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:05,090 above the tree line actually and some 256 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:13,520 have actually seen it always been a 257 00:24:19,330 --> 00:24:14,930 total skeptic I don't leave anything 258 00:24:28,500 --> 00:24:19,340 unless I see myself honestly didn't 259 00:24:32,769 --> 00:24:30,759 each time it was seen by the children it 260 00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:32,779 was seen in very very close proximity 261 00:24:42,730 --> 00:24:36,080 just outside the school perimeter yeah 262 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:42,740 it was almost as I mean I don't I I hate 263 00:24:46,779 --> 00:24:44,690 trying to imagine what was going through 264 00:24:54,759 --> 00:24:46,789 whatever the occiput whoever the 265 00:24:58,450 --> 00:24:54,769 occupants were what was going and it was 266 00:25:21,890 --> 00:24:58,460 almost as if they were trying to keep at